Hey David, let's begin this interview with a few questions which are not about eSport and Dota 2. You are working as an independent business/IT consultant. How much time do you spend on that job during the week?
It really varies, since the work is largely project-based / seasonal in nature. Sometimes I go a few weeks or even a month or two without much work; other times, I’ll have 40, 60+ hours of work in a week easily. It all depends! Lately, I've been doing a lot of paralegal work on the side to pay the bills, since the IT consulting side of things has slowed down.
How does a regular day in the life of David Gorman look like?
There's no such thing! If I'm preparing to cast a major Dota event, most of my day is spent studying teams replays, going over recent trends in their picking/banning via dota-academy's stats, and generally trying to get a deeper understanding of how they are drafting and playing.
When I'm not working, casting, or preparing to cast, I love to get in as many pub games as I can. I don't get to play nearly as much as I would like, but I do my best to play at least an hour or two each day when possible. I have an amateur team with a few friends, but lately we've been rather inactive since I've been super busy with paralegal work, preparing to cast G-1 League, and working with GoDz to build Beyond the Summit.
Aside from work and Dota, I've been going to the gym a lot recently. I used to be really active but got into some bad habits after graduating college. I still have a long way to go before I'll be satisfied, but it's a good way to relieve stress, clear my mind, and make up for all those hours sitting in front of a computer.
I guess your independence helps you with keeping up your caster career. Would it be a goal for you to work fulltime as a caster?
It's more than a goal for me; it's my dream! I'm already investing well over 40 hours a week on it, but the main issue right now is that I don't make much money from doing it, so I have do other stuff like the paralegal / IT work to pay the rent/bills.
You started your work as a caster in January 2012 and are already a known name in the scene. Are you impressed about what you’ve reached so far?
When you put it like that, it sounds nice, but really for me I always feel there is more I can and should be doing. I'm the type of person who's never really satisfied (some would argue to excess, since I really can’t ever sit back and just feel good about my accomplishments), but at the same time that mindset drives me to constantly work harder and never rest on my laurels. I'm really proud of how much I've improved since I started 9 months ago, but I’m also determined to work harder and smarter than I have up to this point as we move forward.
I really admire casters like Artosis and DApollo from SC2 who dedicate themselves completely to their craft by constantly studying replays from pro players/teams. In fact, one of my primary goals right now is to become as knowledgeable about competitive Dota as they are about SC2. A huge part of that is putting in the time studying teams/players and just analyzing tons of games; the other big part is improving my own individual skills / understanding of competitive play. Frankly, my main issue right now is finding the time to do it all!
You have recently casted one of the biggest tournaments in eSport, The International 2. How would you describe the event from your point of view?
The best event in the history of eSports. Valve did such a great job crafting a narrative throughout the event, and for them it was always about the players and the fans. From the skyboxes with team banners, to the player’s dinner/party after the group stages, to the awesome accommodations and Benaroya hall, to their recruitment of pretty much every significant community figure/caster to help make the event as spectacular and complete as it could be, they really showed that they 'get' the community, that they get eSports in a way that no other company even comes close to achieving.
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But it even goes beyond that; for me, the best part about TI2 was the sense of community and kinship that pervaded the event. We were all there because we love this damn game to death, and it really showed. There were no egos, no bad blood, no grudges or hatred; it was just a bunch of people united by their insane passion for competitive Dota.
Then I got home, hopped on Reddit/TL/GG.net/JD, and got sucked back to the 'real world', where everyone flames and hates for the silliest reasons. I wish we could all be as open, friendly, and awesome on the Internet as we were at TI2; but that's the sad belly of the beast for you - it has this way of bringing out the worst in people.
Absolutely incredible event; I wish I could go back in time and attend it again as a spectator, simply to experience the magic. At heart, I'm just a guy who loves Dota and has been obsessed with the game ever since my brother introduced me to it 8 years ago.
Who surprised you in Seattle?
EHOME was the biggest surprise of TI2 for me. They did not look strong going into the event or during the group stages, but managed to take down two teams who I thought were flat out better than them (Complexity and Orange) in the Loser's Bracket on the back of some amazing Tiny-Wisp play. LaNm's Tiny versus Orange was the only example I can think of from TI2 where a free farm, ridiculously fed Morphling was outcarried in the ultra late game. Mushi doesn’t lose many long macro games, but that was a rare (and crucial) case where he was outclassed.
Would you say it was one of your greatest moments in your history as a caster?
Of course! Haha, I haven't really had many "moments" as a caster, since I've only been doing this for about 10 months, but yeah, I'd absolutely say it was the most exciting experience I've had so far. Absolutely an honour getting to cast the event; I just felt lucky to be a part of it all. My only hope is that the community felt I did the games justice.
Was it good for you to cast the tournament with Luminous, a guy you already know from your work for Dotacommentaries?
Absolutely. Despite the tentacle hentai jokes he loves to make on his live stream, Luminous is really a consummate professional. We both studied our asses off preparing for the event in the weeks leading up to the group stages. Even going into the final day, we were both constantly taking mental notes and stealing a few moments of PC time backstage where we could to study each team and get a deeper understanding of how they were building and using each hero.
How would you describe the way of working with Luminous?
Leave your ego at the door, and devote yourself to creating the best casts possible. After every cast leading up to the event, we reviewed our mental notes on what we did well and what we could improve on. Lumi always talks about how he is constantly learning even after casting Dota for three years, and I truly feel the same way. Even the pros are constantly learning new things every time they play; that’s why they use scrimmages and practices to experiment with new picks, styles, builds, and strategies!
The day you stop learning is the day you start regressing. At the same time, we are both very self-critical, so we did our best to keep each other positive and focused on the mission at hand.
You show great synergy with Luminous, but you also cast solo. What do you prefer?
I enjoy both! From an analytical standpoint, I prefer having a co-caster, since it gives me time to ‘breathe’ mentally and take stack of the state of the game. When you're solo casting, you tend to get tunnel vision and buy into your own narrative of how the game is going to unfold. It’s good to have someone to push back on that and give you opportunities to re-examine your own perspective.
From a pure fun standpoint, sometimes it’s really nice to solo cast and just be able to say whatever you want (within reason) without worrying about stepping on your co-caster’s toes. It can be quite therapeutic!
How would you describe your own style of casting?
Energy and love for the game. That’s what I’m all about when I cast. I work hard to understand the teams, their strategies, and the decisions they make in the games because I love them. When a player makes an insanely crazy play, or a decision that costs their team a fight / a game, I gasp out loud because that’s how invested I am in the result. Every time I cast an exciting game, I feel like a ping pong ball being mauled all over the place by both teams; and I love every moment of it.
Some people believe in the traditional sports dichotomy of "play by play" and "color commentator", but I'm personally of the opinion that all casters should be able to fill both roles competently. Each caster has their own unique strengths and weaknesses, but for me I won't be satisfied until I can provide both brands of commentary at the highest possible level.
It really varies, since the work is largely project-based / seasonal in nature. Sometimes I go a few weeks or even a month or two without much work; other times, I’ll have 40, 60+ hours of work in a week easily. It all depends! Lately, I've been doing a lot of paralegal work on the side to pay the bills, since the IT consulting side of things has slowed down.
How does a regular day in the life of David Gorman look like?
There's no such thing! If I'm preparing to cast a major Dota event, most of my day is spent studying teams replays, going over recent trends in their picking/banning via dota-academy's stats, and generally trying to get a deeper understanding of how they are drafting and playing.
When I'm not working, casting, or preparing to cast, I love to get in as many pub games as I can. I don't get to play nearly as much as I would like, but I do my best to play at least an hour or two each day when possible. I have an amateur team with a few friends, but lately we've been rather inactive since I've been super busy with paralegal work, preparing to cast G-1 League, and working with GoDz to build Beyond the Summit.
Aside from work and Dota, I've been going to the gym a lot recently. I used to be really active but got into some bad habits after graduating college. I still have a long way to go before I'll be satisfied, but it's a good way to relieve stress, clear my mind, and make up for all those hours sitting in front of a computer.
I guess your independence helps you with keeping up your caster career. Would it be a goal for you to work fulltime as a caster?
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Working as a fulltime caster is my dream!”You started your work as a caster in January 2012 and are already a known name in the scene. Are you impressed about what you’ve reached so far?
When you put it like that, it sounds nice, but really for me I always feel there is more I can and should be doing. I'm the type of person who's never really satisfied (some would argue to excess, since I really can’t ever sit back and just feel good about my accomplishments), but at the same time that mindset drives me to constantly work harder and never rest on my laurels. I'm really proud of how much I've improved since I started 9 months ago, but I’m also determined to work harder and smarter than I have up to this point as we move forward.
I really admire casters like Artosis and DApollo from SC2 who dedicate themselves completely to their craft by constantly studying replays from pro players/teams. In fact, one of my primary goals right now is to become as knowledgeable about competitive Dota as they are about SC2. A huge part of that is putting in the time studying teams/players and just analyzing tons of games; the other big part is improving my own individual skills / understanding of competitive play. Frankly, my main issue right now is finding the time to do it all!
You have recently casted one of the biggest tournaments in eSport, The International 2. How would you describe the event from your point of view?
The best event in the history of eSports. Valve did such a great job crafting a narrative throughout the event, and for them it was always about the players and the fans. From the skyboxes with team banners, to the player’s dinner/party after the group stages, to the awesome accommodations and Benaroya hall, to their recruitment of pretty much every significant community figure/caster to help make the event as spectacular and complete as it could be, they really showed that they 'get' the community, that they get eSports in a way that no other company even comes close to achieving.
Then I got home, hopped on Reddit/TL/GG.net/JD, and got sucked back to the 'real world', where everyone flames and hates for the silliest reasons. I wish we could all be as open, friendly, and awesome on the Internet as we were at TI2; but that's the sad belly of the beast for you - it has this way of bringing out the worst in people.
Absolutely incredible event; I wish I could go back in time and attend it again as a spectator, simply to experience the magic. At heart, I'm just a guy who loves Dota and has been obsessed with the game ever since my brother introduced me to it 8 years ago.
Who surprised you in Seattle?
EHOME was the biggest surprise of TI2 for me. They did not look strong going into the event or during the group stages, but managed to take down two teams who I thought were flat out better than them (Complexity and Orange) in the Loser's Bracket on the back of some amazing Tiny-Wisp play. LaNm's Tiny versus Orange was the only example I can think of from TI2 where a free farm, ridiculously fed Morphling was outcarried in the ultra late game. Mushi doesn’t lose many long macro games, but that was a rare (and crucial) case where he was outclassed.
Would you say it was one of your greatest moments in your history as a caster?
Of course! Haha, I haven't really had many "moments" as a caster, since I've only been doing this for about 10 months, but yeah, I'd absolutely say it was the most exciting experience I've had so far. Absolutely an honour getting to cast the event; I just felt lucky to be a part of it all. My only hope is that the community felt I did the games justice.
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Luminous and I studied our asses of preparing for TI2.”Absolutely. Despite the tentacle hentai jokes he loves to make on his live stream, Luminous is really a consummate professional. We both studied our asses off preparing for the event in the weeks leading up to the group stages. Even going into the final day, we were both constantly taking mental notes and stealing a few moments of PC time backstage where we could to study each team and get a deeper understanding of how they were building and using each hero.
How would you describe the way of working with Luminous?
Leave your ego at the door, and devote yourself to creating the best casts possible. After every cast leading up to the event, we reviewed our mental notes on what we did well and what we could improve on. Lumi always talks about how he is constantly learning even after casting Dota for three years, and I truly feel the same way. Even the pros are constantly learning new things every time they play; that’s why they use scrimmages and practices to experiment with new picks, styles, builds, and strategies!
The day you stop learning is the day you start regressing. At the same time, we are both very self-critical, so we did our best to keep each other positive and focused on the mission at hand.
You show great synergy with Luminous, but you also cast solo. What do you prefer?
I enjoy both! From an analytical standpoint, I prefer having a co-caster, since it gives me time to ‘breathe’ mentally and take stack of the state of the game. When you're solo casting, you tend to get tunnel vision and buy into your own narrative of how the game is going to unfold. It’s good to have someone to push back on that and give you opportunities to re-examine your own perspective.
From a pure fun standpoint, sometimes it’s really nice to solo cast and just be able to say whatever you want (within reason) without worrying about stepping on your co-caster’s toes. It can be quite therapeutic!
How would you describe your own style of casting?
Energy and love for the game. That’s what I’m all about when I cast. I work hard to understand the teams, their strategies, and the decisions they make in the games because I love them. When a player makes an insanely crazy play, or a decision that costs their team a fight / a game, I gasp out loud because that’s how invested I am in the result. Every time I cast an exciting game, I feel like a ping pong ball being mauled all over the place by both teams; and I love every moment of it.
Some people believe in the traditional sports dichotomy of "play by play" and "color commentator", but I'm personally of the opinion that all casters should be able to fill both roles competently. Each caster has their own unique strengths and weaknesses, but for me I won't be satisfied until I can provide both brands of commentary at the highest possible level.
What is your biggest weakness when it comes to casting?
My biggest weakness is that I tend to take non-constructive criticisms too personally. It's something almost all new casters (and really anyone who hasn't done really "public" work such as casting in the past) will struggle with when they start doing it for the first time. I'm already extremely self-critical and basically never satisfied with my own work, so pretty much anything my detractors dislike about my casting or feel I could do better, I’ve already recognized and am working hard to correct.
Of course, it comes with the territory, and I've gotten much better at dealing with it since I started (remember, I've only been casting for 10 months! and only for 6 regularly!). That being said, I've yet to meet anyone who truly is immune to hate/flames from the community; most people, like myself, have simply learned that you can't play in the mud without getting dirty, so we keep our mouths shut when the trolls are burning the midnight oil.
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Don't get me wrong, though; I love the Dota community and there's tons of wonderful folks within it. It's easy to lose sight of that due to the angry ravings of a vocal minority, but I do my best to focus on the positive / constructive ones. As a plan B, there's always the Tasteless/Day9 approach, which is basically not reading anything the community says about you directly and letting trusted friends filter out the crap, but I really like being able to interact with everyone directly so I hope it never comes to that.
(Alternatively, give me a razor sharp knife and 10 minutes alone in a dark room with one of those little bastards, and I'll straighten him out once and for all...) - kidding!
Now at the G-1 League you are working together with GoDZ. How important is it that Chinese leagues get English casting?
It's a watershed moment for the Western Dota world. In the months leading up to The International 2, I was fortunate enough to cast the TI2 East Qualifiers and Beyond The Summit’s World Tour. Most casual Western Dota fans weren’t watching those events; they were busy watching The Defense 2 and Starladder. After casting so many Asian teams, and knowing their track record in Dota 1, I was confident that the Chinese / SEA teams would perform brilliantly at TI2 and secure most of the high placements.
You can't really blame the average fan for not respecting iG/DK/LGD/Orange/Zenith going into TI2, but by the time TI3 rolls around, it's my goal to make sure those teams have the respect from the community that they deserve. I enjoy watching Western teams too, but for me my heart is with Asian dota. Their dedication is marvelous, and I feel they deserve a lot more support than they are currently getting!
G-1 League is a great start for exposing more Western fans to Chinese dota; it's also a great opportunity for the Chinese organizers to see just how passionate Western fans can be! GSL's English broadcasts have been very successful in the West, and it's my dream to someday bring the Dota-equivalent of GSL to the West.!
Do you expect more leagues to switch over from DotA to Dota 2 soon?
Yup! Now that Valve has an official Chinese publishing partner in Perfect World, it's only a matter of time before they all switch. Although there will always be a special place in my heart for WC3 Dota, there really aren’t many practical reasons for leagues to stick with DotA in the longer, and the ones which remain are quickly being addressed by Valve.
Is the Asian Dota scene a step a head compared to the Western teams?
Indisputably. 7 of the top 8 teams at TI2, including the champions, were from Asia. Asian teams practice harder and more consistently than Western teams. Dota is a team game, which relies heavily on teamwork and coordination; the best way to improve your teamwork and coordination is to practice consistently (and preferably in person on LAN). Until/unless Western teams start practicing like the Asian teams, they generally won’t be able to compete with them.
That's why I'm super excited to see how LGD.int fares, because it will be a great test case to see if practice really does make the difference. After a solid 3-4 months of Chinese-style practice, on LAN, in a training house together, they have the potential to become a fearsome force! Let's hope they can realize it.
LGD.international is a major thing in the scene right now. How well do you expect them to do in their new home China?
It's hard to say. For me, the primary difference between Chinese Dota (& SEA dota to a somewhat lesser extent) and Western Dota isn't skill, genetics, or anything inherently insurmountable; it's just their approach to the game. If LGD.int adopts a true Chinese practice regimen and treats their craft with the level of dedication and consistency that the top Chinese teams like LGD, iG, and DK evidence, they can go very far.
Do they have what it takes to compete with the best of China? Definitely. Will they be? I don't know. Moving from your own apartment/dormitory/house in the West into a team house in China is a massive shock to the system. Whether it works out or not, it is going to take at least a few months, possibly even closer to a year, before a verdict will be available. I'm rooting hard for them to succeed, but I won't be shocked if the experiment fails or if at least a few players have to be replaced. Either way, it's a great opportunity for those guys, and it’s my hope that this is a harbinger of things to come (even if this particular team doesn't end up working out!)
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What can we expect in the near future from you?
Elevating the standard for how tournaments are covered and presented! That’s really the primary goal and focus right now of Beyond the Summit, which GoDz and I have both been working day and night on over the past few months. We’re tired of tuning into stream after stream and just seeing “another cast”, having no idea who the teams playing are or why we should care about them. To truly get viewers excited and invested in matches, there needs to be an engaging storyline, and it’s primarily the job of the tournament organizer / production staff to convey that narrative to everyone.
That's what made TI2 so amazing; it wasn't the top-flight matches or the prize pool (although they certainly helped!), it was Valve's seamless and engaging coverage which put the focus where it belongs: on the players, the teams, and the personalities in the games. Sure, TI2 wasn't perfect, but it was a huge leap in the right direction, and there's a lot more we could all be doing to learn from Valve's example and also take it to the next level!
Oh, and hopefully improving my individual / competitive skill at the game a lot more. It's really difficult to find time to practice between casting and working a few other jobs, but my goal is to become a solid competitive player over the next year. At the very least, I'll be streaming my own play a lot more and hopefully scrimmaging with my team whenever I can. You can learn / know a ton about Dota without being that good yourself, but there's nothing like experience to give you confidence in your own analysis of games.
What would you change in Dota if you could?
Make Gyrocopter's animations more ridiculous! I want to see dynamite being detonated every time a rocket barrage connects, a flurry of particles every time a homing missile connects (not a ding, are you kidding me?!), and an atomic bomb explode every time Gyrocopter uses Calldown. Dota needs more explosions =P!
No but seriously, I actually can't think of anything drastic that desperately needs to be changed, which is a testament to how well Dota is balanced. It's not perfect, but it’s damn close.
My biggest weakness is that I tend to take non-constructive criticisms too personally. It's something almost all new casters (and really anyone who hasn't done really "public" work such as casting in the past) will struggle with when they start doing it for the first time. I'm already extremely self-critical and basically never satisfied with my own work, so pretty much anything my detractors dislike about my casting or feel I could do better, I’ve already recognized and am working hard to correct.
Of course, it comes with the territory, and I've gotten much better at dealing with it since I started (remember, I've only been casting for 10 months! and only for 6 regularly!). That being said, I've yet to meet anyone who truly is immune to hate/flames from the community; most people, like myself, have simply learned that you can't play in the mud without getting dirty, so we keep our mouths shut when the trolls are burning the midnight oil.
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I do my best to focus on the positive or constructive ones.”(Alternatively, give me a razor sharp knife and 10 minutes alone in a dark room with one of those little bastards, and I'll straighten him out once and for all...) - kidding!
Now at the G-1 League you are working together with GoDZ. How important is it that Chinese leagues get English casting?
It's a watershed moment for the Western Dota world. In the months leading up to The International 2, I was fortunate enough to cast the TI2 East Qualifiers and Beyond The Summit’s World Tour. Most casual Western Dota fans weren’t watching those events; they were busy watching The Defense 2 and Starladder. After casting so many Asian teams, and knowing their track record in Dota 1, I was confident that the Chinese / SEA teams would perform brilliantly at TI2 and secure most of the high placements.
You can't really blame the average fan for not respecting iG/DK/LGD/Orange/Zenith going into TI2, but by the time TI3 rolls around, it's my goal to make sure those teams have the respect from the community that they deserve. I enjoy watching Western teams too, but for me my heart is with Asian dota. Their dedication is marvelous, and I feel they deserve a lot more support than they are currently getting!
G-1 League is a great start for exposing more Western fans to Chinese dota; it's also a great opportunity for the Chinese organizers to see just how passionate Western fans can be! GSL's English broadcasts have been very successful in the West, and it's my dream to someday bring the Dota-equivalent of GSL to the West.!
Do you expect more leagues to switch over from DotA to Dota 2 soon?
Yup! Now that Valve has an official Chinese publishing partner in Perfect World, it's only a matter of time before they all switch. Although there will always be a special place in my heart for WC3 Dota, there really aren’t many practical reasons for leagues to stick with DotA in the longer, and the ones which remain are quickly being addressed by Valve.
Is the Asian Dota scene a step a head compared to the Western teams?
Indisputably. 7 of the top 8 teams at TI2, including the champions, were from Asia. Asian teams practice harder and more consistently than Western teams. Dota is a team game, which relies heavily on teamwork and coordination; the best way to improve your teamwork and coordination is to practice consistently (and preferably in person on LAN). Until/unless Western teams start practicing like the Asian teams, they generally won’t be able to compete with them.
That's why I'm super excited to see how LGD.int fares, because it will be a great test case to see if practice really does make the difference. After a solid 3-4 months of Chinese-style practice, on LAN, in a training house together, they have the potential to become a fearsome force! Let's hope they can realize it.
LGD.international is a major thing in the scene right now. How well do you expect them to do in their new home China?
It's hard to say. For me, the primary difference between Chinese Dota (& SEA dota to a somewhat lesser extent) and Western Dota isn't skill, genetics, or anything inherently insurmountable; it's just their approach to the game. If LGD.int adopts a true Chinese practice regimen and treats their craft with the level of dedication and consistency that the top Chinese teams like LGD, iG, and DK evidence, they can go very far.
Do they have what it takes to compete with the best of China? Definitely. Will they be? I don't know. Moving from your own apartment/dormitory/house in the West into a team house in China is a massive shock to the system. Whether it works out or not, it is going to take at least a few months, possibly even closer to a year, before a verdict will be available. I'm rooting hard for them to succeed, but I won't be shocked if the experiment fails or if at least a few players have to be replaced. Either way, it's a great opportunity for those guys, and it’s my hope that this is a harbinger of things to come (even if this particular team doesn't end up working out!)
What can we expect in the near future from you?
Elevating the standard for how tournaments are covered and presented! That’s really the primary goal and focus right now of Beyond the Summit, which GoDz and I have both been working day and night on over the past few months. We’re tired of tuning into stream after stream and just seeing “another cast”, having no idea who the teams playing are or why we should care about them. To truly get viewers excited and invested in matches, there needs to be an engaging storyline, and it’s primarily the job of the tournament organizer / production staff to convey that narrative to everyone.
That's what made TI2 so amazing; it wasn't the top-flight matches or the prize pool (although they certainly helped!), it was Valve's seamless and engaging coverage which put the focus where it belongs: on the players, the teams, and the personalities in the games. Sure, TI2 wasn't perfect, but it was a huge leap in the right direction, and there's a lot more we could all be doing to learn from Valve's example and also take it to the next level!
Oh, and hopefully improving my individual / competitive skill at the game a lot more. It's really difficult to find time to practice between casting and working a few other jobs, but my goal is to become a solid competitive player over the next year. At the very least, I'll be streaming my own play a lot more and hopefully scrimmaging with my team whenever I can. You can learn / know a ton about Dota without being that good yourself, but there's nothing like experience to give you confidence in your own analysis of games.
What would you change in Dota if you could?
Make Gyrocopter's animations more ridiculous! I want to see dynamite being detonated every time a rocket barrage connects, a flurry of particles every time a homing missile connects (not a ding, are you kidding me?!), and an atomic bomb explode every time Gyrocopter uses Calldown. Dota needs more explosions =P!
No but seriously, I actually can't think of anything drastic that desperately needs to be changed, which is a testament to how well Dota is balanced. It's not perfect, but it’s damn close.
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WhatIsHip: 'Casting is what I do right now'
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